>> yeah, the united states of america. it's called taxes. and we've had them since the constitution. >> we're economically powerful now with a $16 trillion debt? we're economically powerful? >> despite our troubles, despite our troubles, we're still the most powerful nation in the world and the envy of all. it's that system that made us that way. >> wait a minute. you think -- >> it works when people pay their fair share. that's the problem. >> you think that at this moment in history, in american history, that we are a powerful economic engine with all of the debt we have, with the huge deficit we have, with the unemployment rate stubborn as it is, you think that we are prospering as a nation economically? >> we are not as well off as we have been even as recently as six, ten years ago, but we are still the wealthiest nation in the world. >> all right. we may be the wealthiest nation in the world, but it's not because of income redistribution. now, lesley, when bill clinton was president, we had a very good economy, as everybody remembers.